Comments on: Delta Announces Rollback Of Severe SkyMiles Changes https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/ Thought Leader in Travel Thu, 09 Nov 2023 18:47:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: United Airlines Elite Status Changes For 2024: What They Mean - View from the Wing https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5588779 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 18:47:07 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5588779 […] all of their activity, whether flights or credit card spend or visits to the gas station. Even with Delta’s slow walk getting to the extreme changes they’d announced status with them is harder than both. And United’s is a little easier with flights and card […]

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By: Airline Shake-Up: How Frontier is Upending the Elite Status Game (Most Of You Can Get It Super Quickly) - View from the Wing https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5582302 Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:50:04 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5582302 […] airline marketing. Delta absolutely gutted SkyMiles elite status qualification and lounge access, though they’ve slowed the ‘pulling of the band aid off’. United for its part isn’t doing more for customers, they’re simply promising ‘no […]

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By: Carl P Meyer https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5581946 Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:54:03 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5581946 No where in Delta’s release do the mention “Lifetime” the very carefully chosen wording is “annual Complimentary Medallion Status”

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By: TravelWarr https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5580730 Fri, 20 Oct 2023 13:10:12 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5580730 @Retired Lawyer” Great post from someone not named Dunn or DL Marketing Whatever.

You’ve definitely got it figured out and love that you’re “hitting the slopes” with the SKI Club!

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By: Retired Lawyer https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5580575 Fri, 20 Oct 2023 03:27:36 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5580575 @Tim Dunn and @DL Marketing Premium: Kindly take your dispute to the other side of the swings in the schoolyard. The topic of this thread is, “Delta Announces Rollback Of Severe SkyMiles Changes”.

With regard to the rollback (whether temporary or not) of DL’s SkyRuble cuts, I am interested in the give and take of the commenters. I find it generally useful and insightful.

With regard to the profitibility of DL vs. UA (or any other airline), please see the last line that Clark Gable said to Vivian Leigh in “Gone With The Wind”.

With regard to Frequent Flyer status, I’m too old and comfortable in my own skin at close to 75 years old (won’t say how close) to chase that chimera beyond where I am (lifetime Marriott Titanium gives UA silver, Amex Plat gives Hilton and IHG something, and DL 1 MM gives, well…DL Silver/Gold).

I buy travel based on price and schedule, and use my points of all flavors when I can. It’s my money, not my employer’s or my client’s. (Actually, I’m a charter member of the SKI Club — Spending Kid’s Inheritance). Retired and widowed (twice) means I have time to travel.

Lounge access is generally what I want for the trips I take, in addition to price and schedule. I have a lifetime pass to the United Club (purchased when I graduated law school 50 years ago for the magnificent sum of $250) for UA, my Amex Plat for DL and Centurion (a nice club at DFW if I’m on AA), and my Chase Sapphire for Priority Pass in lots of places.

Good fortune to all of you.

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By: Tim Dunn https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5580468 Thu, 19 Oct 2023 22:20:20 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5580468 for someone that is so fast to accuse me of incompetence in financial analysis, you still fail to:
Admit that UA paid just 75% of the profit sharing that DL paid despite supposedly making the same amount of money
UA adjusted out profit sharing right off the top.
DL adjusts out refinery expenses because it is not part of the basic operation of the airline. DL calculates CASM ex to exclude profit sharing among other items.
Both airlines adjust out extraordinary/special items as other companies.
If you can’t see the difference in the approach DL and UA take in their calculations and what they claim, then you are the one that is incompetent.

And UA specifically was pressed during its earnings call by a Wall Street analyst on its claims that they are replacing the capacity at EWR from having to reduce flights by using larger aircraft. UA execs finally admitted that the analyst could not accurately use the revenue projections for EWR before the summer and UA’s operational meltdown any longer. In other words, UA is NOT recapturing all of the revenue from the flights it had to cut.
UA is always “everything is rosy” until they are pressed on details when they finally admit otherwise.

UA is not changing its elite requirements because they need to fill seats on airplanes and are losing revenue in key markets.

Employee compensation is behind DL even before UA coughs up the money for a flight attendant contract.

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By: DL Marketing Premium https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5580392 Thu, 19 Oct 2023 19:09:36 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5580392 Again, Tim. You’re using ovaries instead of your brain to understand financials. So it’s no surprise that you don’t get it.

“we caught on that United, in its earnings release, ADJUSTED OUT profit sharing for its employees in order to produce an ADJUSTED margin that was higher than Delta’s.”

Taking profit sharing to produce an inflated adjusted margin is NOT true and not what UA nor DL did. This is different than taking profit sharing out of operating expense. You don’t know the difference, I pointed out the difference but of course 10 different people can tell you 20 different ways in 30 different languages in 40 different dances and you still won’t get it.

You’ll never get it, and that’s what makes you Tim Dunn we all know and definitely not love. The punching bag for the comment section.

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By: DL Marketing Premium https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5580388 Thu, 19 Oct 2023 18:57:55 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5580388 You truly are data illiterate. I spelled out the answer for you, and you still can’t get it. Being a mental midget is one thing, but you’re unteachable and beyond help. Is there any wonder why you’re constantly written off by others.

Delta even explains that it adjust out profit sharing from expenses and provides justification.

Delta: We adjust OPERATING EXPENSE and CASM for certain items described above, as well as the following items and reasons described below:

Profit sharing. We adjust for profit sharing because this adjustment allows investors to better understand and analyze our recurring cost performance and provides a more meaningful comparison of our CORE OPERATING COSTS to the airline industry.

It’s best that you probably step away from the keyboard, but you probably don’t have anywhere else to go. Feel free to keep digging yourself a hole and while the rest of us continue to burry you.

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By: Tim Dunn https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5580381 Thu, 19 Oct 2023 18:49:46 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5580381 Let’s not forget that YOU were the one that accused me of making up the fact that UA adjusted out profit sharing and NOW you come back and say “sure enough that is true but DL did the same thing” without understanding the difference in how and where the two are calculated.

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By: Tim Dunn https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-announces-rollback-of-severe-skymiles-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-5580375 Thu, 19 Oct 2023 18:33:34 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=192671#comment-5580375 DL and UA take out profit sharing for different reasons.
UA takes it as an ADJUSTMENT. DL takes it as part of its CASM-ex calculation.
I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

And you STILL CAN’T and WON’T deal w/ the reality that UA paid $100 million less in profit sharing w/ DL.

For someone that is so defensive, you can’t grasp the true bottom line.

but it’s all about people, right?

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