Comments on: United Flight Attendants Fire Negotiators As Contract Strategy Backfires—Are Strikes Doomed? https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/ Thought Leader in Travel Sat, 23 Nov 2024 03:54:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: John H https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899868 Sat, 23 Nov 2024 03:54:19 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899868 I’m sure United has a number in mind, and the flight attendants can bucket that out to their members any way they want to. Want to keep the PPO? Then reduce the wage demands. Want more for the senior flight attendants? Then reduce what goes to the junior flight attendants and sell it to them, but don’t make it so low that no one wants to start at United. Want more back wages? Then remove some future money, or put more future money at risk via profit sharing. I’m sure the union know this, but they have to be able to sell it to the union members.

Still, the question of whether the flight attendants deserve much of the credit card revenue. They influence the desirability of that card by some degree, but certainly not all of it. Delta might have similar conversations. If they come out with a new, more lucrative credit card, how much of that was because people were getting PDB drinks? Overall, flight attendants at a big pay of an airlines net promotor score.

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By: Tim Dunn https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899866 Sat, 23 Nov 2024 03:54:00 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899866 you can’t understand that what people actually make matters far more than a contract.

DL FAs get profit sharing in line with DL’s role as the most profitable US airline.

Yes, DL FAs in real life beat WN and AA FAs – and DL FAs didn’t have to wait years for a union to convince a federal mediator to get serious with the company.

The interest on the money that DL FAs could have made by settling early is worth hundreds of dollars per year – on top of the union dues that all of those other airline FAs made – which you certainly don’t want to include as a real cost of being unionized.

Facts are so inconvenient, aren’t they?

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By: Justsaying https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899864 Sat, 23 Nov 2024 03:25:22 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899864 @Tim Done

So you mean to tell me the multiple media outlets reporting that Southwest flight attendants are the highest paid are false and a “blogger” and a people purple eater are correct? GTOH you really will stop at nothing to support Delta even when it’s providing false information.

Let’s do our proper research on the highest paid flight attendants when it comes to hourly pay and duty rigs shall we?

1. Southwest
2. American
3. SMELTA
4. United

I live in place called reality where 9/11 and Covid happened and I know profit sharing is not a guarantee nor should it be expected during economic downturns

You also sound like a MAGA supporter so I can’t lower myself to chat with you any further. Toodles!

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By: Tim Dunn https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899859 Sat, 23 Nov 2024 03:04:27 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899859 just saying,
I don’t care what updates the AFA puts out but it is clear that the AFA bought, hook, line and sinker, Scott Kirby’s pinky promise that UA would make sure FAs were paid the highest when everyone else settled.
The AFA was suckered. THAT is why the rank and file want AFA’s negotiators booted.

And as much as you want to believe otherwise, DL FAs ARE still the highest compensated in part because they did not have to wait years to get a settlement – which is exactly what AA and WN got.

You want to convince us that what exists in a contract right now is superior to the pay that DL FAs put in the bank years ago – and you are deluded.

WN FAs do far more work than any of the legacy FAs. There are no crew rest cabins on WN’s 737s as exist on AA, DL and UA widebodies. WN FAs take off and land far more often, clean the cabins and every other aspect of their work.
They are not paid anywhere proportionately to what they did.

And WN employees endlessly touted their own profit sharing – until they didn’t have it.

Simply put, DL has consistently paid more profit sharing than the entire rest of the industry COMBINED.
You can try desperately to exclude that compensation but it is real and there isn’t an FA anywhere in the US that would not die to have DL FAs’ profit sharing – which you want to exclude from compensation because you don’t have it.

go crawl back in your hole and know that real people w/ real brains- including both Gary and me – can see the labor situation for what it is – which is neither pro-union or anti-union but pro reality.

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By: Justsaying https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899856 Sat, 23 Nov 2024 02:43:35 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899856 @Tim Dunn AKA delusional purple people eater

Surely you realize regardless they are compensated higher due to having free insurance, higher duty rigs, and actual work rules. You are anti-union and a Delta worshipper but know this Timmy Tim work rules are money. If Delta flight attendants are so happy explain to me why many of them are advocating for a union, a contract, a clear sick policy, not to be re routed endlessly because SMELTA allows it and changes rules around whenever they feel like it.

Honey pay attention because reading is so fundamental and you’re clearly not doing it. United wanting to cut PPO coverage is not new it’s been covered heavily in updates that the Union puts out every month. All of this is viewable to the public online. It’s called what? RESEARCH

Southwest is the highest paid and they have a union then it goes American. Delta is in third place yet is the most profitable with what Timmy? NO UNION

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By: Tim Dunn https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899841 Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:03:38 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899841 just saying,
surely you realize that WN counts flights for crew purposes differently than other carriers, in part because there are different requirements.
WN FAs have to clean the cabins on many WN flights; other airlines including DL FAs don’t do that.

You would like to believe that DL FAs don’t have work rules and yet there are a host of things that DL FAs don’t do that other airline FAs do.

And, as much as you would like to think that profit sharing isn’t guaranteed, there is, in reality, no guarantee that a company will resolve their labor contracts anywhere close to when they are supposed to be resolved.

DL, without a union, raised the pay of its unionized pilots and its non-union FAs and ground staff at industry leading rates far before any of the unionized airlines got around to it.

And Gary did not get into the specifics of the contract but if UA is wanting to cut insurance coverage and those topics are just now being discussed, then it is completely the fault of UA AFA negotiators.

As I have said for months – if not years – Scott Kirby told its employees that he would resolve their labor contracts at industry leading rates and make up the difference for UA unions waiting to make sure another airline didn’t jump over what UA settled for.

It is UA FAs that are at the bottom of the big 4; arguing about whether DL or WN FAs are paid higher does absolutely nothing to console UA FAs.

UA FAs led by Sara Nelson and the AFA were played like yesterday’s violin. and the line FAs aren’t going to be subjected to the AFA’s stupidity in negotiations.

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By: Gary Leff https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899834 Fri, 22 Nov 2024 23:33:30 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899834 In reply to One of the FAs you constantly dog.

The NMB sets the schedule once it’s in federal mediation, not the company.

At AA, negotiations couldn’t get real until union officers were re-elected. I wrote for a year that’s what would happen, and it’s exactly what happened.

At UA, they were waiting for American to get their contract done first – so that a different union could take risks and possibly have to endure a strike, and so that deal would set a new bar for their own bargaining.

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By: One of the FAs you constantly dog https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899830 Fri, 22 Nov 2024 23:21:44 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899830 What evidence do you have that AFA was intentionally slow walked the negotiations? AA’s negotiations have taken 5 years and just resolved. The corporations are the ones slow walking this. With AA the company would come back every month (that’s all the National Mediation Board would schedule, they determine to meet once a month for 3 days, this is not an ongoing back and forth all month for 5 years) with JUST enough for the NMB to deem we were making progress and reschedule for one month later. Only in the very final days, when the mediation could no longer pretend to deem that progress was being made, did they schedule intensive mediations every other week then weekly. These corporations know just how to walk the government mandated process for negotiations to drag out the process to hopefully wear down the workgroup to accepting significantly less than they ask (and deserve) with inflation rising and employees needing something to get by financially. There’s two things you’re doing- not doing your research on the whole article and quickly pumping out clickbait OR (what you obviously do) using about 20%-50% facts and spinning it into salacious click bait for revenue.

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By: Gary Leff https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899821 Fri, 22 Nov 2024 22:39:24 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899821 In reply to Daniel.

@Daniel – my point is that it’s been 3 years and the Biden NMB had to demand they release their compensation asks, so saying United is the one slow-walking is disingenuous.

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By: Daniel https://viewfromthewing.com/united-flight-attendants-fire-negotiators-as-contract-strategy-backfires-are-strikes-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-5899819 Fri, 22 Nov 2024 22:25:40 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216776#comment-5899819 Compensation is one of, if not the last, item discussed in negotiations. The fact you keep harping on the fact that UA flight attendants just brought their compensation demands forward is obnoxious.

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