Comments on: Forget Rent Points—Bilt’s New Program Lets You Earn 250,000+ Points Buying A Home https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/ Thought Leader in Travel Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:23:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: John H https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899577 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:23:10 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899577 With the new commission rules, no Realtor can show you a house without a signed buyer’s agreement. Many of these agreements now are just for one home, and triggered when a buyer finds a house online they want to look at. Buyers are fully responsible for paying the buyer’s agent at closing, which is fully negotiable, and you can bet any referral fee will increase what an agent requires. You can ask for a concession from the seller to pay the buyers fee, but a smart seller will look for the biggest net from buyers, so the buyer is still paying their agent, just through a higher mortgage. Do you want to pay that Bilt reward with an increased mortgage payment for 30 years?

The same goes for any realtor recommendation service, they are all fee-based, and the Realtor is not going to eat that fee. Also keep in mind that any recommendations for service vendors from the Realtor are likely to be pay-to-play. They can’t get a kickback per referral, but they may require a $10,000 marketing fee (or more) to get on a list of recommended providers. Some individual Realtors may not recommend vendors from their brokers list, but it’s good to know why.

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By: Gene https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899542 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 19:37:56 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899542 @ Gary — I’ll take 0.5-0.6% cash back through a real estate agent referral program instead, thank you.

@ L3 — Of course you don’t pay 3%. Negotiate down to 2.0-2.5% AND get 0.5-0.6% back, or negotiate down to 1.5% and skip the referral company (a smart agent would prefer this to the referral). On a $1 million house, $10,000 (1%) is probably worth not having to deal with the other party to the transaction. Anything over that is silly, but it is the crappy system we have.

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By: JoeSchmo https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899504 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:35:03 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899504 “Arguably on the commission it’s better just to negotiate a better deal with the agent directly, or a cash rebate.”

Exactly. Why engage with these agents and pay them (out of the buyer’s pocket given the rule change) 3%?! Do your own homework and cutoff the buyer’s agent.

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By: L3 https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899499 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:17:59 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899499 @Gary: Without a cap it is a 0.625% commission rebate. Anyone can get 1% off on a buyer’s agent elsewhere, so this is not a good deal.

This is the usual case with deals that involve airline miles as a spiff for paying for something. I mentioned electricty above, another one would be Bask Bank. The miles rate on their savings instruments is lower than a cash-paying equivalent (even with tax fraud).

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By: L3 https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899496 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:00:42 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899496 @HT: At 3% of the purchase price?

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By: Gary Leff https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899492 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:47:55 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899492 In reply to L3.

@L3 – not sure how you say ‘max value $7,500’ when there is no cap on points-earning under this offer?

And sure if you go without a realtor at all you can negotiate with the counterparty to save that cost. Most people aren’t comfortable doing this, and a good realtor (which you may not wind up with!) does have value even if you’re savvy. They may have a great rolodex of experts to consult as you work through understanding the challenges you may confront with an older home, for instance.

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By: HT https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899487 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:37:14 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899487 @L3: I consider myself financially savvy, and I do not feel comfortable buying without a realtor, as retail real estate is not something I’m an expert in.

Given that it’s the biggest purchase of my life (presumably), the expertise that they should provide is well-worth my money.

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By: L3 https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899482 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:12:40 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899482 @Gary: No need to run the numbers. Just run the back of the envelope. BILT offer max. value is $7,500. Buy without a realtor as a buying agent and save $15,000.

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By: Gary Leff https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899476 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 15:41:57 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899476 @L3 “Assume you are paying more.”

No, don’t assume, run the numbers and compare to make sure you’re getting the best deal.

For the Bilt offer, though, it’s a marketing expense for the agents. For most people this will be the best current deal, but some may be able to separately negotiate something better.

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By: L3 https://viewfromthewing.com/forget-rent-points-bilts-new-program-lets-you-earn-250000-points-buying-a-home/comment-page-1/#comment-5899475 Thu, 21 Nov 2024 15:36:45 +0000 https://viewfromthewing.com/?p=216688#comment-5899475 @Gary: “On the financing side you may or may not get the best mortgage deal choosing a miles for mortgages offer, e.g. QuickenLoans is offering 25,000 United MileagePlus miles for a mortgage. Although don’t think you’re paying more for financing because of the miles — the miles are marketing expense, one way to acquire customers, something that mortgage originators incur in one form or another regardless.”

Assume you are paying more. Naive to believe otherwise. Those miles have to be paid for.

I haven’t done the numbers on that deal but I did on electric bills that pay AA miles in TX. The rate was twice what you paid otherwise and the nugatory quantity of miles did not comec near to offsetting it.

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